The Big question of the day is: Were we better off integrated or segregated?
Its morning time and you are on your way to work. You walk out of the house and head straight over to the bus stop and patiently wait for the bus to arrive. The bus pulls up and you enter the doors and drop your money into the dispenser. The Bus driver nods and you find yourself working your way to the back, but then realize that you see an open seat up front and plop into the seat. A white man enters the bus right after you, smiles at you, mumbles a good morning, and walks his way to an empty seat in the back.
A few hours later you are at work and are stressing out because you just landed a major account, and you know that "they" are watching you closely, your job might be on the line. You decided that you need a lunch break, and head over to your favorite diner and sit at the counter next to your co-worker Mary Sue.
After lunch you head back to the office, but stop for a sip of water at the water fountain. You walk back into your cubicle, sit down, and for some motivation to continue the day, you look back at your Harvard Diploma and sigh with relief.
(Freeze)
This is how it is without segregation. We can now work in corporate America, attend Ivy League Schools, sit in the front of the bus, drink from the same water fountain, and eat in whatever restaurant you want (in the front of the house). We can all smile, because this is what our people fought for...isn't it?
As I think about the question of the day, I can't help but think that maybe we were better off when we were segregated. Now don't get me wrong, of course I think that it is wonderful that we can walk around and not have to to see signs that say, "For Whites Only". I think that it is even more great that my people now have the options of attending any educational institution they would like, and be able to work their way up the corporate ladder.
The reason that I say that we might have been better off when we were segregated, is because of how much the "Black Dollar" was valued back then. I'm often told about the "The Black Wall Street" or "the Negro Wall Street", when someone wants to highlight how prosperous Blacks were back during segregation. As a result of not being able to work and live with Whites, Blacks had to develop their own means of living and making money. The best example was "the Negro Wall Street". This was what they called Greenwood Avenue of North Tulsa, Oklahoma.
During the early 1900s Blacks shopped, spent, and lived on a 35 square block area. Blacks owned and operated everything. They had over 30 newspapers, high schools, one hospital, hotels, public library, 13 churches, and over 150 two and three story brick commercial buildings. The Circulation of the Black dollar only in the Black community produced a tremendously prosperous Black business district.
The Black community has no choice but to come together and make things happen for themselves. So of course integration would make the situation for Blacks even more prosperous then that....wouldn't it?
Yet with integration:
1. The Black dollar leaves the Black community faster than it comes in.
2. There are very few owned and operated Black Businesses.
3. We do not support our own
4. The Black family has fallen apart
5. Our HBCU's have been down played
6. We don't understand the value of a dollar
7. We don't know what it means to work anymore
8. Voting is a joke to us
9. And the most important thing to us is money, cars, and clothes.
Way to go Integration! How could a fight as strong as the Civil Rights cause our people to go downward in our Pride and Spirit? How could it cause us to lose sight of the important things in life? Was the fight to want to be able to eat in the same restaurant and drink out of the same fountain as them, the fight that needed to be fought?
What do you think?







25 comments:
I'm all about equality and therefore not about segregation. I don't think things are/were better with segregation by any means. I simply think that our generation has forgotten about the struggles of their people, but I also think that the reason for that forgetfulness is attributed to the prejudice that goes on in our country in terms of housing, the economy, the workplace, etc. Maybe people are just trying to make it day to day that they fail to take the time to remember their history. Not an excuse really, but it is a reason. I think segregation limits a person. You can only learn to such an extent when you are segregated. Whites can't learn from it, and neither can Blacks. Our society is (or rather, should be) based on learning and no one can learn with the same ideas floating around. The problem is therefore indeed segregation. People who only experience people like them are the ones who don't take voting seriously, etc. because they aren't consistently exposed to anything else. If they experience the real world and everyone in it (hence, integration), then thats when the learning occurs and therefore the betterment of people in general.
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I posted this topic on my college's site and it has gotten very spirited. I agree with you 200%. I think integration was/is one of the major downfalls of the Black community. Before we were able to go where we pleased, we were forced to support one another. Young African American children saw what a loving relationship was and success meant working as a fireman, police officer, educator or minister. Now, many of our young people don't know what a loving relationship is because they have never seen one work. Their idea of success if being an athlete, rapper, drug dealer or pimp.
African Americans or Blacks (which ever we are today) moved out to these suburbs, (where the white folks don't want us there) and we forgot where we came from. We forgot that our parents/grandparents were not educated and they stressed to us the importance of getting one. I sometimes wonder if some of the white people are looking at us laughing. We are the only group that I know of who wants to integrate with other races. As soon as we start to move into their communities, they move out. When will we realize that we need to stop running to places where we won't be tolerated? I hope my people will wake up and smell the cocoa beans before it's too late!
What people dont understand is if you have a cup of coffee (which is strong)and you add cream; that cream weakens that coffee. What use to wake you up, now puts you to sleep.. When you integrate you weaken a people with false pretense.
We live under the guise that integration actually happened, when in reality what took place was pacification and tokenism. Sitting on the toilet next to white people is not progress. Spending money at white owned businesses is not progress. Buying sneakers when we do not own any manufacturing plants or employ our own workers is not progress. What every other people in America understand is that money is the key to political authority and influence. King did not get his crown removed because of having a dream. No! Its because he took money away from the state and local governments when he organized boycotts of Montgomery County buses and Wonder Bread. The only thing integrated in America is our money. That's why New Orleans can be wiped out, Chocolate city can become a twinkie, and Harlem can become North Manhattan in the blink of an eye. We must segregate our money to amass some real political power. All marches and speeches do is make your feet tired and your mouth dry.
You made a good point. My parents have been business owners for most of my life. It was always commented on how now we receive less support from the black community. Currently we run a family business, and for the first year of this new venture, most of teh public didn't realize we were black owned. That allowed most of the consumers to not make a judgement. One they did find out.. most of our black customers were more surprised. I think we forget that we can run successful businesses. Thanks for reading our blog.. I always return the favor.
We are all God's children.. strip away the color or gender from a person and we are all the same...what we are left with is character,which is what is the most important quality in a human being.
Segregation is about separation and *that* has been the root cause of every major conflict in the world since time began. Why would you want to perpetuate that through segregating people?
And if we are all God's children's (which I believe) then why can't we start acting as if we were, rather then looking at others as "them" versus "us".
My 2 cents.
I love this blog and the issues you're highlighting.
You win some you lose some!
Segregation was bad because we couldn't make them stop being unfair with money and other resources. Segregation was good because it kept us together and united behind a common enemy. Segregation was bad because it made us feel inferior and unwanted. Segregation was good because it made us serve and build our own. Segregation was bad because our talent never got to go out to masses.
So you win some and you lose some! All we have now is pride as we try to unite now that we have the resources. So I wonder did we ever really want integration or did we just want to be treated fairly and have our rights.
Philosopher- Good point when you said segregation limits a person. I can see your point when you say that if we only experience people like ourselves, we will limit the amount that we can learn.
ahava- Thank you! I love my new layout. I think it allows my readers to concentrate more on the content.
Foxxy- I already pointed this out when you commented on one of my other post, but I think you make a great point when you talk about us being one of the only races that want to integrate. What happens is that instead of just wanting to be treated equal, instead we want to be like other races or accepted by them. We go around and do things just to be pat on the back.
Kamiro- Great analogy!
Son of ture- I was blown away by your point, "We live under the guise that integration actually happened, when in reality what took place was pacification and tokenism." Well stated and I agree!
three brown chicks- Thank you for returning the favor and I hope that you enjoyed your visit! Kudos to your family business.
igcognito- one could see your point also, the problem is that we are not all being treated as if we are all Gods children, some people are treated as if they are less than.
Kim- Thank you for Keeping Up! I hope that you continue to come back and enjoy what I write about.
Freeman Press- Your point is well taken, I think that is why many of us stand confused on which one was better. mainly because both had pros and cons.
well when i was raised we only lived in all black neighborhoods and all economically dealth with each other, until we squash the desire to go to lennox mall, its gone be the same
Torrance- You always know how to make your points short and to the point!
I don't have any answers for this one. I struggle with this as well.
Seems like we lost a whole lot more than we gained with integration.
The question is not about intergration v. segregation! The question is what happend to our self respect, morals and values! And in reality we are still segregated today but the signs aren't as aparent as they use to be. In the words of Spike, "Wake Up!"
I'll be quick this time: For the anonymous person, I am not sure where you live but I live in Chicago and the signs of segregation are alive and kicking. If you look at the inner city schools, let me change that, the Chicago Public School system, it is very segregated. Housing: Whaere shall I begin. Most major cities have areas for poor Black and Latinos. There really isn't a place for poor whites because they live with the middle class whites.
Son of Ture, I like that comparison. You are absolutely right. We were/are pacified and accept being the token and we think things are all good. When will we wake up and smell the cocoa beans?
Anonymous-Good point when you say that it is not as appearant. Foxxy I think what he means is that it isn't like it was when segregation was legal. I think that most educated people can see it and are aware of what is going on. I think that alot of people honestly think that we are better off and are ok with what is going on in our community.
Actually I'm born and raised in Baltimore, MD! Socialite hit the nail right on the head! A lot of people are complacent with the state of the Black community however as a member of the talented tenth I know that my ancestors did not die in the struggle just to have the whites only sign lifted! I also think we should touch on the fact that we segregate ourselves. People aren't comfortable with the unknown.
anonymous- I agree with you when you say that we didn't fight to have the For White Only signs lifted. It seems like basically thats all that happened, it was a front to make us shut up. Okay we will lift the signs up, yet we will just disciminate in more secret ways.
I believe that integration was about a "plan" to stop such places as the "Black Wall Street", and also believe that we are still segregated.
As we know things in America are not done to "help" the African American. So we do have to wonder why they decided to "all negro's in".
Schools are a sad example. With so many Blacks having educational, and social challenges as a result of being the ONLY Black in a school, and to be honest...whites still run and the only whites left in a neighborhood or school are the ones who could not AFFORD to move.
My opinion.
Who wants to eat the food at a diner who doesn't want you there? Who wants to work at a company where you are not wanted?
WHY MOVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOOD that doesn't want you there? Your children suffer, and it's sad.
Period.
Great article and great points. I've always been of the frame of thought that concessions of the civil rights movement were not sincere but money motivated and about internation positioning. IT is very sad that we donot support one another. We seem to have a mindset of jealousy when we see another successful Brotha or Sista instead of taking the lessons of what they have done in order to succeed.
Jealously will continue to be one of our down falls! We need to really get that together!
Good post!
Well presented and thought provoking.
I must say that there was never a "Black Dollar"; that in itself was an illusion as is money today an illusion.
I think the problem of poverty today is very much alive as it was back in the day. Having said that, I really see the positive influence of desegregation in this regard.
At the end of the day all the talk of being better off by having our own businesses and support system is an illusion. I say that because the money they used was never "our money". As a people, we were economically enslaved then as we are now.
So to answer the question from an economic point of view? I think it really doesn't matter.
Some may argue that we lost some of our cultural identity or cohesiveness as in being able to work together as a result of desegregation. But I disagree. I think the negative effects we see comes from the breakdown of the family. Segregation didn't do that. We did that to ourselves.
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